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Subject : Re:Windows 10 shuts down CNC Mills..
02/18/2022 01:38:44 PM
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| JILL KENIK |
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I've been monitoring the 2 mills for a bit over a week now. The change to a metered connection has returned update control to me. Windows is now asking for permission to make the downloads and updates, which what I needed.
To locate this setting, go to Windows Update Settings, Advanced Options, and turn on Download updates over metered connections.
Thanks for all the suggestions and help. If there are further problems I'll post here. |
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Subject : Re:Windows 10 shuts down CNC Mills..
02/10/2022 10:32:28 AM
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| JILL KENIK |
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Thanks for all of the suggestions both here and sent directly. I'll start working my way through the suggestions starting with the simplest first. Need to leave the machine on for at least a week to gain confidence that steps taken have resolved the issue.
Last night's solution was to change up the active hours to encompass the run time of the job. Windows 10 permits up to 18 hours each day during which it won't Big Brother me.
I've also come across a subtle difference between Windows 10 and 10 Pro, where in Pro allows you a little better control of some of the features by editing Local Group Policy.
I'd prefer to keep the machines connected to my internal network, but will hold the idea of returning to sneaker netting as a last resort. A few extra trips back and forth would more than compensate for an after hours shut-down.
Once I have a solid solution, I'll report back in.
Again, many thanks. Good to know I'm not alone on this. |
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Subject : Re:Re:Re:Windows 10 shuts down CNC Mills..
02/09/2022 08:56:34 PM
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| David |
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Jill sorry this reply took so long, but still learning about the forum. What I do is follow advice from the Shopbottools forum to stop unwanted WIN 10 updates - Set my win 10 to a metered connection. That stops updates.
How do I turn on metered connection?
Click the Windows logo (Start button).
Click the gear icon (Settings).
Select Network & Internet.
On the left pane, choose Wi-Fi.
Click Manage known networks.
Select your Wi-Fi network, and then click Properties.
Under Metered connection, click the slider to set the metered connection to ON
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Subject : Re:Re:Windows 10 shuts down CNC Mills..
02/08/2022 12:58:24 PM
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| Charles Overy |
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Jill,
Two simple ideas:
If you connect wirelessly to your LAN have you tried turining on airplane mode before you run a job?
or unplug the LAN cable before running a job.
Keep the mill computer turned off or turn off and on frequently to force updates.
However I think the setting you are looking for is as below. I have not done this in a while so I cant definitively recall.
Step 1. Click the Search button. Search for Task Scheduler.
Step 2. Go to Task Scheduler Library/Microsoft/Windows/Update Orchestrator.
Step 3. On the right side, find "Reboot", right-click it, and select "Disable".
See more by scrolling down to Step 2 below
https://superuser.com/questions/973009/conclusively-stop-wake-timers-from-waking-windows-10-desktop/973029#973029
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Subject : Re:Windows 10 shuts down CNC Mills..
02/08/2022 12:10:37 PM
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| Alika Brooks |
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Hi Jill, the manufacturer of our CNC, Biesse, handles this by installing Windows 10 IoT (formerly Windows Embedded) as the OS. All updates are vetted by Biesse before being pushed to the computer and it will only update on shutdown/startup. The computer itself is a basic HP EliteDesk 800 G5. Not sure if this is an option for you but that is how the major manufacturers of production environment machines handle the windows update problem. Hope you find a solution to end your frustrations. |
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Last Edited On: 02/08/2022 12:24:12 PM By Alika Brooks |
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Subject : Re:Re:Windows 10 shuts down CNC Mills..
02/08/2022 11:57:17 AM
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| PATRICK MCCAULEY |
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Location: Centerbrook, CT. USA |
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I have had similar issues with our 3D printers. Solved it as Michael suggested, we use a card or flash drive and the machines are stand alone, not on a network. As for CNC router, our controlling computer is networked, but the CNC is a low-duty desktop machine and my jobs generally run short (under an hour). Not to tell you your business, but personally, I wouldn't run a CNC router overnight without at least minimal supervision. I'm worried about fire. 3D printers though, I do. |
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Subject : Re:Re:Windows 10 shuts down CNC Mills..
02/08/2022 11:54:03 AM
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| PATRICK MCCAULEY |
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Location: Centerbrook, CT. USA |
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I have had similar issues with our 3D printers. Solved it as Michael suggested, we use a card or flash drive and the machines are stand alone, not on a network. As for CNC router, our controlling computer is networked, but the CNC is a low-duty desktop machine and my jobs generally run short (under an hour). Not to tell you your business, but personally, I wouldn't run a CNC router overnight without at least minimal supervision. I'm worried about fire. 3D printers though, I do. |
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Subject : Re:Windows 10 shuts down CNC Mills..
02/08/2022 11:10:59 AM
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| MICHAEL SCRIBNER |
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Might present other problems, but have you tried disconnecting the offending computers from the internet completely? We had to do that with some earlier versions of Windows on control computers for this exact reason, ran them for years without updates. You'd have to do all your programming directly on the connected desktops or transfer your program via flash drive, but maybe that's less inconvenient than having auto updates crash your jobs in the middle of the night. One of the common reasons for so many "updates" to Windows is keeping security in the OS up to date with current threats. But if you're not connected to the internet with those systems, security is less of a concern anyway. |
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Subject : Windows 10 shuts down CNC Mills..
02/08/2022 10:27:16 AM
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| JILL KENIK |
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I can't seem to outsmart Windows 10 forced updates.
Unfortunately, 2 of my CNC mills are now running with Windows 10 operating systems. 2 different brands of mills/software. Twice now I've had overnight jobs shut down while Windows forced an update.
First time it happened, I made careful adjustments to the update settings, allowing updates only every 21 days, maximized the Active hours to the full 18 allowed, tagged the computer as using a metered connection. Stuck a post-it on the monitor so I can track when I need to make the updates so Windows doesn't stop my jobs. Yesterday, before starting a long job, I allowed Windows to fully update, which with my internet took more than an hour.
In this morning to find that Windows yet again stopped the milling job to update and restart the computer. No choice but to restart the job, costing a fair amount in lost time and frustration.
Is there anything else I can try to avoid these issues? I cannot locate a way a way to refuse updates forever, which is what I really need. Seems there should be a way to override this. Spoke with Tech Support on 1 of the machines, and they advised all the steps I've already taken in terms of scheduling updates should be working. |
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